Calling
for the Deselection of an MP is now a Disciplinary Offence
for the Deselection of an MP is now a Disciplinary Offence
Obtaining the reasons for my suspension from the Labour Party has been like drawing teeth .
Although they have been happy to
leak information to the Tory press, Labour’s witch hunters have been less keen
to inform me what it is I have been accused of, as you can see from the
correspondence below.
leak information to the Tory press, Labour’s witch hunters have been less keen
to inform me what it is I have been accused of, as you can see from the
correspondence below.
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| Islam – Religion of Bigotry one of the pamphlets on Paul Bogdanor site |
Labour’s disciplinary procedures bear a
remarkable similarity to Alice in Wonderland and Franz Kafka’s Trials. [See Ian McNicol Restages Franz Kafka’s TheTrial ]
remarkable similarity to Alice in Wonderland and Franz Kafka’s Trials. [See Ian McNicol Restages Franz Kafka’s TheTrial ]
Now however the witch-hunters’ hand has been revealed. Gregson has now openly asked me if I have
called for the deselection of Peter Kyle, the New Labour MP for Hove who supports the involvement of private companies in the NHS and who supported the
bombing of Iraq. Of course the answer is
yes but is it a crime in the Labour
Party now to support deselection?
called for the deselection of Peter Kyle, the New Labour MP for Hove who supports the involvement of private companies in the NHS and who supported the
bombing of Iraq. Of course the answer is
yes but is it a crime in the Labour
Party now to support deselection?
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The first I knew what I had been accused of was when these articles appeared in The Times & Telegraph April 2nd
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Harry
Gregson, Labour’s acting SE England organiser is a run of the mill apparatchik. His level of political consciousness can best
be discerned by the fact that he celebrated the 90th birthday of a
woman who has been on state benefits for 90 years whilst telling the rest of us
to tighten our belts! The monarchy is,
as Shelley observed, the string that ties the robbers’ bundle.
Gregson, Labour’s acting SE England organiser is a run of the mill apparatchik. His level of political consciousness can best
be discerned by the fact that he celebrated the 90th birthday of a
woman who has been on state benefits for 90 years whilst telling the rest of us
to tighten our belts! The monarchy is,
as Shelley observed, the string that ties the robbers’ bundle.
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| Gregson sources Paul Bogdanor a regular contributor to the frontpage.com site – an example of the virulent Islamaphobia on this site is a pamphlet by Pamela Geller |
Gregson’s
idea of an investigation is to google my name and see what comes up. It would appear that no sewer is polluted
enough for him to immerse himself in it in the hope that he might find a few
nuggets amongst the detreitus.
idea of an investigation is to google my name and see what comes up. It would appear that no sewer is polluted
enough for him to immerse himself in it in the hope that he might find a few
nuggets amongst the detreitus.
Gregson sources one of his quotes regarding an anti-Semite called Gilad Atzmon, who I have heavily criticised on this blog and elsewhere, to a Paul Bogdanor. Bogdanor writes for the Frontpage.com site which features Jihadi Watch and features the above pamphlet from one of the most extreme anti-Muslim racists, Pamela Geller. Geller is basically a fascist but that does not stop Gregson sourcing from such people. This is how she is described on her Wiki page:
She is a supporter of the English Defence League (EDL) saying: “I share the EDL’s goals … We need to encourage rational, reasonable groups that oppose the Islamisation of the west.”[29] In June 2013, Geller was scheduled to speak at an EDL rally,[7] but was barred from entering Britain by a Home Office ruling that describes her as having established “anti-Muslim hate groups”.[13]
Some
of the comments date back years, part of long-forgotten debates. They have been hauled out, stripped from
their context and selected in order to provide a pretext for my expulsion. The
chances of Gregson or the other apparatchiks even understanding the context of an
ongoing discussion with Gilad Atzmon, the holocaust denying jazzman are about
zero.
of the comments date back years, part of long-forgotten debates. They have been hauled out, stripped from
their context and selected in order to provide a pretext for my expulsion. The
chances of Gregson or the other apparatchiks even understanding the context of an
ongoing discussion with Gilad Atzmon, the holocaust denying jazzman are about
zero.
If
Gregson, Stolliday and McNicol had a shred of honesty, then they would say ‘we
disagree with your opinions, you are a socialist and an anti-Zionist and we are
therefore expelling you.’ But these
people are fundamentally dishonest and instead resort to trying to find the
residue of long forgotten conversations, fragments and comments in order to
make a case.
Gregson, Stolliday and McNicol had a shred of honesty, then they would say ‘we
disagree with your opinions, you are a socialist and an anti-Zionist and we are
therefore expelling you.’ But these
people are fundamentally dishonest and instead resort to trying to find the
residue of long forgotten conversations, fragments and comments in order to
make a case.
The
original allegations related to anti-Semitism and Ireland. Now that they have been deemed insufficient,
Gregson has been scurrying around in Islamaphobic sites trying to find
something else to go on.
original allegations related to anti-Semitism and Ireland. Now that they have been deemed insufficient,
Gregson has been scurrying around in Islamaphobic sites trying to find
something else to go on.
As
Norman Finkelstein remarked in The American Jewish scholar behind Labour’s ‘antisemitism’ scandal breaks his silence
Norman Finkelstein remarked in The American Jewish scholar behind Labour’s ‘antisemitism’ scandal breaks his silence
It’s doubtful
these Holocaust-mongers have a clue what the deportations were, or of the
horrors that attended them. I remember my late mother describing her
deportation. She was in the Warsaw Ghetto. The survivors of the Ghetto
Uprising, about 30,000 Jews, were deported to Maijdanek concentration camp.
They were herded into railroad cars. My mother was sitting in the railroad car
next to a woman who had her child. And the woman – I know it will shock you –
the woman suffocated her infant child to death in front of my mother. She
suffocated her child, rather than take her to where they were going. That’s
what it meant to be deported. To compare that to someone posting a
light-hearted, innocuous cartoon making a little joke about how Israel is in
thrall to the U.S., or vice versa…it’s sick. What are they doing? Don’t they
have any respect for the dead? All these desiccated Labour apparatchiks,
dragging the Nazi holocaust through the mud for the sake of their petty
jostling for power and position. Have they no shame?
these Holocaust-mongers have a clue what the deportations were, or of the
horrors that attended them. I remember my late mother describing her
deportation. She was in the Warsaw Ghetto. The survivors of the Ghetto
Uprising, about 30,000 Jews, were deported to Maijdanek concentration camp.
They were herded into railroad cars. My mother was sitting in the railroad car
next to a woman who had her child. And the woman – I know it will shock you –
the woman suffocated her infant child to death in front of my mother. She
suffocated her child, rather than take her to where they were going. That’s
what it meant to be deported. To compare that to someone posting a
light-hearted, innocuous cartoon making a little joke about how Israel is in
thrall to the U.S., or vice versa…it’s sick. What are they doing? Don’t they
have any respect for the dead? All these desiccated Labour apparatchiks,
dragging the Nazi holocaust through the mud for the sake of their petty
jostling for power and position. Have they no shame?
My
offences were the following comments:
offences were the following comments:
Gregson goes to the far-Right Zionist and warmonger’s site Harry’s Place to dig up a quote from the right-wing Times columnist, Oliver Kamm.
What
I said was that in the context of a war between the IRA and the British
Government then clearly the Commander in Chief of the British Army, Margaret Thatcher was clearly a legitimate target in the eyes of the IRA.
I said was that in the context of a war between the IRA and the British
Government then clearly the Commander in Chief of the British Army, Margaret Thatcher was clearly a legitimate target in the eyes of the IRA.
Despite the froth of the
mass media and the Tories, my memory of these times was that ordinary working-class people said that it was a pity they didn’t get
her. This was during the Miners’ strike
and that was the gist of the comments that miners I worked with in Brighton
uttered.
mass media and the Tories, my memory of these times was that ordinary working-class people said that it was a pity they didn’t get
her. This was during the Miners’ strike
and that was the gist of the comments that miners I worked with in Brighton
uttered.
Given the fact that Thatcher
was the main supporter of General Pinochet of Chile in his fight against
extradition to Spain, a man who had thousands of workers, socialists and democrats tortured to
death, and that she personally ordered the sinking of the Belgrano with the loss of around 750 men, when it was
sailing outside of and away from the Argentinian exclusion zone, I wouldn’t
have lost any sleep if she had died.
was the main supporter of General Pinochet of Chile in his fight against
extradition to Spain, a man who had thousands of workers, socialists and democrats tortured to
death, and that she personally ordered the sinking of the Belgrano with the loss of around 750 men, when it was
sailing outside of and away from the Argentinian exclusion zone, I wouldn’t
have lost any sleep if she had died.
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| Jihad Watch – virulently racist section of site that Bogdanor posts on |
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| More publications on Bogdanor’s Frontpage.com site |
This is a good example of a comment
wrenched out of all context. It has been
sourced from someone called Paul Bogdanor, son of the more sober Oxford constitutionalist Vernon Bogdanor.
Bogdanor is belongs to the fascist and Islamophobic wing of the Zionist
movement. Besides writing virulently
anti-communist nonsense he believes that in the second world war Hitler and Stalin were no different. He posts
on Frontpage.com which has a section ‘Jihad Watch’ a fanatically anti-Muslim
page.
wrenched out of all context. It has been
sourced from someone called Paul Bogdanor, son of the more sober Oxford constitutionalist Vernon Bogdanor.
Bogdanor is belongs to the fascist and Islamophobic wing of the Zionist
movement. Besides writing virulently
anti-communist nonsense he believes that in the second world war Hitler and Stalin were no different. He posts
on Frontpage.com which has a section ‘Jihad Watch’ a fanatically anti-Muslim
page.
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| More Islamaphobic rubbish |
The surrounding comments make it clear that I
was arguing with Gilad Atzmon, an anti-Semitic jazz player, trying to persuade
him to abandon his move towards a holocaust denial position. This was in the context of a meeting of his,
at the SWP’s Bookmarx bookshop which Jews Against Zionism picketed. The fuller correspondence is:
was arguing with Gilad Atzmon, an anti-Semitic jazz player, trying to persuade
him to abandon his move towards a holocaust denial position. This was in the context of a meeting of his,
at the SWP’s Bookmarx bookshop which Jews Against Zionism picketed. The fuller correspondence is:
Dare I say it, some of your remarks re
the holocaust were spot on re the Zionist collaboration with the Nazis. And that is the point anti-Zionists should
make rather than flirting with holocaust denial, or in Shamir’s case being a
full blooded exponent.
the holocaust were spot on re the Zionist collaboration with the Nazis. And that is the point anti-Zionists should
make rather than flirting with holocaust denial, or in Shamir’s case being a
full blooded exponent.
It
is therefore dishonest to post the piece below suggesting that I am ‘now experiencing a radical change of
heart.’ The radical change of heart,
if anyone’s was your own in disagreeing with Shamir’s views on Auschwitz,
especially after having praised Paul Eisen’s holocaust denial tract, Holocaust
Wars, as a ‘great text’. If someone who,
like you, has flirted with holocaust denial, has retracted, then it would be
wrong to pretend otherwise. That is
called honesty. However just to clarify,
for the avoidance of any further confusion on your part, if you disagree with
Israel Shamir re the existence of Auschwitz as an extermination centre then
your idea is spot on. If you agree with
Paul Eisen about the Nazi holocaust or go wittering on about Jewish power then
your ideas are their usual turgid nonsense.
is therefore dishonest to post the piece below suggesting that I am ‘now experiencing a radical change of
heart.’ The radical change of heart,
if anyone’s was your own in disagreeing with Shamir’s views on Auschwitz,
especially after having praised Paul Eisen’s holocaust denial tract, Holocaust
Wars, as a ‘great text’. If someone who,
like you, has flirted with holocaust denial, has retracted, then it would be
wrong to pretend otherwise. That is
called honesty. However just to clarify,
for the avoidance of any further confusion on your part, if you disagree with
Israel Shamir re the existence of Auschwitz as an extermination centre then
your idea is spot on. If you agree with
Paul Eisen about the Nazi holocaust or go wittering on about Jewish power then
your ideas are their usual turgid nonsense.
I
trust that even you now understand.
trust that even you now understand.
Tony
Greenstein
Greenstein
Gregson
is under the impression that Zionism was
a movement opposed to anti-Semitism.
This is an understandable belief given that Zionists shout ‘anti-Semitism’ at
the drop of a hat. What Gregson doesn’t appreciate
is that Zionist screams of ‘anti-Semitism’ have nothing to do with
anti-Semitism and everything to do with support for Israel. Which is why the incident that started the
latest bout of media attacks on ‘anti-Semitism’ at Oxford University Labour
Club was triggered by that club’s support for Oxford Israel Apartheid
Week. OULC have been bludgeoned now into
accept the Zionist discourse about anti-Semitism, as Naz Shah has, but a lie is
still a lie.
is under the impression that Zionism was
a movement opposed to anti-Semitism.
This is an understandable belief given that Zionists shout ‘anti-Semitism’ at
the drop of a hat. What Gregson doesn’t appreciate
is that Zionist screams of ‘anti-Semitism’ have nothing to do with
anti-Semitism and everything to do with support for Israel. Which is why the incident that started the
latest bout of media attacks on ‘anti-Semitism’ at Oxford University Labour
Club was triggered by that club’s support for Oxford Israel Apartheid
Week. OULC have been bludgeoned now into
accept the Zionist discourse about anti-Semitism, as Naz Shah has, but a lie is
still a lie.
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| Academic article describing Zionist anti-Semitism – according to Gregson agreeing with it is ‘anti-Semitic’ |
Hopefully the article Classic zionism
and modern anti-semitism: Parallels and influences (1883-1914) by Jacques
Doron from the Journal of Israeli History,
no. 8, 1.9.83. will help in Harry’s education.
and modern anti-semitism: Parallels and influences (1883-1914) by Jacques
Doron from the Journal of Israeli History,
no. 8, 1.9.83. will help in Harry’s education.
In
the article, which is from a Zionist academic journal, Doron
observes, in respect of Zionist anti-Semitism, that ‘It cannot be denied that the Jewish
self-criticism so widespread among the German Zionist intelligentsia often
seemed dangerously similar to the plaints of the German anti-Semites.’
p.171.
the article, which is from a Zionist academic journal, Doron
observes, in respect of Zionist anti-Semitism, that ‘It cannot be denied that the Jewish
self-criticism so widespread among the German Zionist intelligentsia often
seemed dangerously similar to the plaints of the German anti-Semites.’
p.171.
Zionism was founded
upon what was called the ‘negation of the Diaspora’, literally a hatred of
Jewish existence outside Palestine.
Zionism was a blut and bloden political
movement that believed that the Jewish Question could only be resolved when
Jewish feet were planted on the soil of Palestine. Jews had a mystical blood and racial attachment to each other via the land of Palestine. Their existence outside Palestine was
unnatural, abnormal. They therefore went
as far as to accept what the anti-Semites said about the faults of the
Jews. When Arthur Ruppin, Father of
Jewish Land Settlement (and also the Father of Jewish Sociology) in Palestine, who
was also a member of the Zionist Executive was accused of being an anti-Semite,
he didn’t take offence. Quite the
contrary:
upon what was called the ‘negation of the Diaspora’, literally a hatred of
Jewish existence outside Palestine.
Zionism was a blut and bloden political
movement that believed that the Jewish Question could only be resolved when
Jewish feet were planted on the soil of Palestine. Jews had a mystical blood and racial attachment to each other via the land of Palestine. Their existence outside Palestine was
unnatural, abnormal. They therefore went
as far as to accept what the anti-Semites said about the faults of the
Jews. When Arthur Ruppin, Father of
Jewish Land Settlement (and also the Father of Jewish Sociology) in Palestine, who
was also a member of the Zionist Executive was accused of being an anti-Semite,
he didn’t take offence. Quite the
contrary:
‘When Ruppin’s friend called him “an
anti-Semite,” he was not at all put off by the epithet and retorted
spontaneously: “I have already established here [in his diary] that I
despise the cancers of Judaism more than does the worst anti-Semite.”
(p. 186 entry Ruppin’s Diaries 4.8.93.)
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| Arthur Ruppin, member of Zionist Executive and Father of Jewish Land Settlement |
Ruppin’s view of the famous Dreyfuss trial, where France’s
aristocratic and military caste sought to pin the label of treason on a Jewish
officer, as a means of rolling back the gains of Emancipation for French Jewry
as a whole, was that:
aristocratic and military caste sought to pin the label of treason on a Jewish
officer, as a means of rolling back the gains of Emancipation for French Jewry
as a whole, was that:
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| Ruppin was proud to be called an anti-Semite |
‘In Paris a captain by the name
of Dreyfuss has been arrested on charges of spying: he is a Jew.
In Berlin a major usury trial is taking place. Naturally the accused are Jews, and so it
goes on. I fear that up till now I have
had too good an opinion of my people and perhaps the anti-Semites are right in
their charges after all!… Even the gravest punishment is not too harsh for this
Dreyfus, since not he alone but all the rest of us must suffer for his
guilt.’ (p. 187)
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| An example of Jewish anti-Semitism – Pinhas Rosenbluth describes Jews outside Palestine as ‘vermin’ |
Doron speaks of
Ruppin’s ‘revulsion toward the Jewish character and its physical embodiment.’
p. 191. Ruppin however was not
alone. You are spoilt for choice when it
comes to anti-Semitic statements by Zionists.
Perhaps the most anti-Semitic of all comments was that by Pinhas Felix
Rosenbliith (who was destined to become Israel’s first Minister of Justice . He described Palestine “an institute for
the fumigation of Jewish vermin.” As Doron notes, ‘a perusal of the Zionist
sources reveals a wealth of charges against the Diaspora Jew, some of which are
so scathing that the generation that witnessed Auschwitz has difficulty
comprehending them.’
Ruppin’s ‘revulsion toward the Jewish character and its physical embodiment.’
p. 191. Ruppin however was not
alone. You are spoilt for choice when it
comes to anti-Semitic statements by Zionists.
Perhaps the most anti-Semitic of all comments was that by Pinhas Felix
Rosenbliith (who was destined to become Israel’s first Minister of Justice . He described Palestine “an institute for
the fumigation of Jewish vermin.” As Doron notes, ‘a perusal of the Zionist
sources reveals a wealth of charges against the Diaspora Jew, some of which are
so scathing that the generation that witnessed Auschwitz has difficulty
comprehending them.’
Isaac Deutscher, the
biographer of Trotsky, summed up the
attitude of most Jewish workers to Zionism when he wrote:
biographer of Trotsky, summed up the
attitude of most Jewish workers to Zionism when he wrote:
It should be remembered that the great majority of East European
Jews were, up to the outbreak of the second World War} opposed to
Zionism… the most fanatical enemies of Zionism were precisely the workers,
those who spoke Yiddish… they were the most determined opponents of the idea
of an emigration from East Europe to Palestine… in the idea of an evacuation,
of an exodus from the countries in which they, had their homes and in which
their ancestors had lived for centuries, the anti-Zionists saw an
abdication of their rights, a surrender to anti-Semitism. To them anti-Semitism
seemed to triumph in Zionism, which recognised the legitimacy and the validity
of the old cry ‘Jews get out!’ The Zionists were agreeing to get out. [Isaac
Deutscher, ‘The Non Jewish Jew ‘ & Other Essays-The Russian Revolution and the Jewish Question’ pp.66/7]
4.
Gregson demonstrates the idiocy and stupidity of
this witch-hunt when he says ‘On top of
the above that were raised in the original complaint, I would also like
to ask you about the following allegations:
Gregson demonstrates the idiocy and stupidity of
this witch-hunt when he says ‘On top of
the above that were raised in the original complaint, I would also like
to ask you about the following allegations:
Why
you might ask, should this be the subject of a disciplinary investigation? It is a fact that Israel has squandered the
reparations money from Germany meant for the holocaust survivors for holocaust
education, monuments etc. Large scale
fraud has been perpetrated by the Jewish Claims Conference, the major
organisation involved in claiming the money.
It is an open secret that the Israeli government is as parsimonious as it
can be.
you might ask, should this be the subject of a disciplinary investigation? It is a fact that Israel has squandered the
reparations money from Germany meant for the holocaust survivors for holocaust
education, monuments etc. Large scale
fraud has been perpetrated by the Jewish Claims Conference, the major
organisation involved in claiming the money.
It is an open secret that the Israeli government is as parsimonious as it
can be.
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| No doubt this article from Ha’aretz is also ‘anti-Semitic’ |
Hagai
Amit writes in Ha’aretz 15.9.13 Israeli Restitution Agency Sitting on NIS 1B as Poor Survivors Struggle to Make Ends Meet that
Amit writes in Ha’aretz 15.9.13 Israeli Restitution Agency Sitting on NIS 1B as Poor Survivors Struggle to Make Ends Meet that
‘It was hard not to be moved by the plea for financial
support made to the Knesset Labor, Welfare and Health Committee in April by
Dora Roth on behalf of her fellow Holocaust survivors. “What have you done with
the money? What? The sight on television of Holocaust survivors who don’t have
heat in the winter, who don’t have money for food is to your shame. Permit us
to die in dignity.”
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| Gregson believes its ‘anti-Semitic’ to tell the truth about how Israel treats the Holocaust survivors who have subsidised the Israeli state |
Or
perhaps Gregson didn’t get to read another article in Israel’s Ha’aretz
newspaper Israel Is Waiting for Its Holocaust Survivors to Die Perhaps
Gregson would like to summon the ‘anti-Semitic’ writer of the above article for
an investigation too! I should point out
that the person who wrote the above article, Amos Rubin, is a childhood
survivor of the holocaust but I doubt that will stop humourless and dessicated Labour
bureaucrats and the Zionist Jewish Labour Movement who are happy to use the
holocaust to try and undermine support for
Palestine in the Labour Party.
perhaps Gregson didn’t get to read another article in Israel’s Ha’aretz
newspaper Israel Is Waiting for Its Holocaust Survivors to Die Perhaps
Gregson would like to summon the ‘anti-Semitic’ writer of the above article for
an investigation too! I should point out
that the person who wrote the above article, Amos Rubin, is a childhood
survivor of the holocaust but I doubt that will stop humourless and dessicated Labour
bureaucrats and the Zionist Jewish Labour Movement who are happy to use the
holocaust to try and undermine support for
Palestine in the Labour Party.
5. Another
charge is that ‘you described another Labour MP as ‘Tory Boy’ .
My description of
Steve Reed in It is Time for Unity in the Campaign Against theWitchhunt – Momentum has to support all those suspended not just its Vice Chair Jacqueline Walker was motivated after
reading the Report in Inside Croydon Labour
suspends Croydon Central secretary over Hitler tweet. Steve Reed is even wearing a blue rosette!
charge is that ‘you described another Labour MP as ‘Tory Boy’ .
My description of
Steve Reed in It is Time for Unity in the Campaign Against theWitchhunt – Momentum has to support all those suspended not just its Vice Chair Jacqueline Walker was motivated after
reading the Report in Inside Croydon Labour
suspends Croydon Central secretary over Hitler tweet. Steve Reed is even wearing a blue rosette!
‘Last week, Lambeth
South MP Steve Reed OBE, a deputy chair of Progress, the Blairite
party-within-a-party, seemed to suggest that something was underway when he
referred to “internal disciplinary matters” in a tweet regarding White’s
situation. This was long before the Croydon party official had received any
notification that he was subject to such a procedure. This is not the first time that Progress has
conducted a witch-hunt against socialists in Croydon.’
6.
– That you acted in an un-comradely manner
to Labour members and referred to the investigation set up by
Baroness Royal as ‘racist’
– That you acted in an un-comradely manner
to Labour members and referred to the investigation set up by
Baroness Royal as ‘racist’
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| My tweet describing former Hove MP Ivor Caplin as a war criminal |
Yes
I probably did refer to the report of Baroness Royall as ‘racist’. Possibly the reason is that it is
part of a racist agenda which conflates Jews and Zionists as equivalent. It is a report designed to label
as ‘anti-Semitic’ Oxford University Labour Club’s support for Israel Apartheid
Week and to rehabilitate the Zionist Jewish Labour Movement. However the url refers to another tweet
describing the former Hove MP Ivor Caplin, a former Defence Minister at the
time of the Iraq War as a war criminal!
I probably did refer to the report of Baroness Royall as ‘racist’. Possibly the reason is that it is
part of a racist agenda which conflates Jews and Zionists as equivalent. It is a report designed to label
as ‘anti-Semitic’ Oxford University Labour Club’s support for Israel Apartheid
Week and to rehabilitate the Zionist Jewish Labour Movement. However the url refers to another tweet
describing the former Hove MP Ivor Caplin, a former Defence Minister at the
time of the Iraq War as a war criminal!
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| An example of racist & Islamaphobic pictures on the Twitter page of Zionist that I called out |
7.
That you use ‘Zio’ /’Zio idiots’/’Zionist
scum’ as a insults repeatedly on
That you use ‘Zio’ /’Zio idiots’/’Zionist
scum’ as a insults repeatedly on
There are 3 more allegations:
8.
That
you evoked the Final Solution in a letter to the Labour Party.
That
you evoked the Final Solution in a letter to the Labour Party.
9.
That
you referred to the Brighton Labour Party as acting in a racist way.
That
you referred to the Brighton Labour Party as acting in a racist way.
10.
That
you advocated the de-selection of Labour MP Peter Kyle on twitter.
That
you advocated the de-selection of Labour MP Peter Kyle on twitter.
None of these are
sourced, but it’s nice to know that calling for the removal of Peter Kyle is
now an offence meriting disciplinary action!
sourced, but it’s nice to know that calling for the removal of Peter Kyle is
now an offence meriting disciplinary action!
Below is my correspondence with Gregson:
I responded fairly
instantly
instantly
On 19 May 2016 at
00:33, Tony Greenstein <[email protected]> wrote:
00:33, Tony Greenstein <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Mr Gregson,
I see you have used a fascist and Islamaphobic
site FrontPage.com, viz. that belonging to Paul Bogdanor to source one of your
quotes.
site FrontPage.com, viz. that belonging to Paul Bogdanor to source one of your
quotes.
I have just taken a screenshot from their ‘Jihad
Watch’ section which advertises books such as Robert Spencers’ ‘Islam –
Religion of Bigots’ (attached)
Watch’ section which advertises books such as Robert Spencers’ ‘Islam –
Religion of Bigots’ (attached)
Clearly in your search for dirt you haven’t
hesitated to dredge the sewers.
hesitated to dredge the sewers.
I suspect that if you go on the neo-Nazi
Redwatch-South Coast site you will find even more useful nuggets of information…
Redwatch-South Coast site you will find even more useful nuggets of information…
I wasn’t aware that
it was an offence to call for the reselection of a Labour MP or Peter
Kyle. But perhaps you would enlighten me?
it was an offence to call for the reselection of a Labour MP or Peter
Kyle. But perhaps you would enlighten me?
You ask for a date
next week. I am free next Friday 27th May. I will leave you
to source the room and set the time and place.
next week. I am free next Friday 27th May. I will leave you
to source the room and set the time and place.
Please be aware that
I will be recording the interview in order that there can be no dispute as to
what has taken place.
I will be recording the interview in order that there can be no dispute as to
what has taken place.
Yours sincerely,
Tony
Greenstein
Greenstein
In practice, the
Israeli government is waiting for the Holocaust survivors to die off within 20
years so that it will no longer have to pay their benefits.
Israeli government is waiting for the Holocaust survivors to die off within 20
years so that it will no longer have to pay their benefits.
read more:
Israel Is Waiting for Its Holocaust Survivors to
Die
Die
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/israel-is-waiting-for-its-holocaust-survivors-to-die.premium-1.501630
There are three different days committed to
remembering the Holocaust, but during the rest of the year, the Israeli
government only thinks of Holocaust survivors as a financial burden.
remembering the Holocaust, but during the rest of the year, the Israeli
government only thinks of Holocaust survivors as a financial burden.
Amos Rubin Feb 06,
2013
2013
The Chief Rabbinate
of Palestine in 1946 declared the tenth day of the Hebrew month of Tevet a
“general day of Kaddish” for dead Jews whose gravesites are unknown.
The date was traditionally a fast day observed by Jews to commemorate the
beginning of Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar II’s siege of Jerusalem. Its modern
significance was added not long after the end of World War II, when the
horrible scale of the destruction of Europe’s Jews – 6 million people,
constituting one third of the continent’s pre-war Jewish population – became
clear. Today, only the members of
Israel’s national religious Jewish community preserve the tradition. The
ultra-Orthodox, as usual, boycott commemorations on the day because of
“the Zionists.”
of Palestine in 1946 declared the tenth day of the Hebrew month of Tevet a
“general day of Kaddish” for dead Jews whose gravesites are unknown.
The date was traditionally a fast day observed by Jews to commemorate the
beginning of Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar II’s siege of Jerusalem. Its modern
significance was added not long after the end of World War II, when the
horrible scale of the destruction of Europe’s Jews – 6 million people,
constituting one third of the continent’s pre-war Jewish population – became
clear. Today, only the members of
Israel’s national religious Jewish community preserve the tradition. The
ultra-Orthodox, as usual, boycott commemorations on the day because of
“the Zionists.”
On March 3, 1951,
Israel’s Knesset set aside the 27th day of the Hebrew month of Nisan, when the
Warsaw Ghetto Uprising broke out (April 19, 1943 in the Gregorian calendar), as
Israel’s Holocaust Remembrance Day. On the eve of the day, all places of
entertainment in Israel are closed by law and mourning and commemoration
services are held at Israel’s national cemetery on Mount Herzl and the museums
at Kibbutz Lohamei Hageta’ot (the Ghetto Fighters’ Kibbutz), Kibbutz Yad
Mordechai, Kibbutz Tel Yitzhak and Nir
Galim.
Israel’s Knesset set aside the 27th day of the Hebrew month of Nisan, when the
Warsaw Ghetto Uprising broke out (April 19, 1943 in the Gregorian calendar), as
Israel’s Holocaust Remembrance Day. On the eve of the day, all places of
entertainment in Israel are closed by law and mourning and commemoration
services are held at Israel’s national cemetery on Mount Herzl and the museums
at Kibbutz Lohamei Hageta’ot (the Ghetto Fighters’ Kibbutz), Kibbutz Yad
Mordechai, Kibbutz Tel Yitzhak and Nir
Galim.
On the other hand,
the United Nations declared the day the Red Army liberated the Auschwitz
concentration camp (January 27, 1945) International Holocaust Remembrance Day.
On this day every year, UN member countries across the globe come together to
mourn the tragedy that led to the death of 6 million Jews, 3 million Romani and
1 million genetically “defective” Germans.
the United Nations declared the day the Red Army liberated the Auschwitz
concentration camp (January 27, 1945) International Holocaust Remembrance Day.
On this day every year, UN member countries across the globe come together to
mourn the tragedy that led to the death of 6 million Jews, 3 million Romani and
1 million genetically “defective” Germans.
That totals three
days a year, but what about the other 362 days? The number of concentration
camp survivors, anti-Nazi partisans and Jews who hid in forests and Christians’
homes now living in Israel is 233,700, according to the Myers-JDC-Brookdale
Institute. Of these individuals, dozens die every day. Apparently, the
heartrending stories of 80-to-90-year-olds struggling for the basic means of
survival that appear in the media every year do not bother the officials
entrusted with their welfare in the Finance Ministry. That these survivors must
choose between buying their medicines or food or that they don’t have a source
of heating in the winter doesn’t seem to stop the State of Israel from denying
them substantive assistance by relying on a variety of bureaucratic clauses.
Israel even pettily denies Holocaust survivors the few benefits they are
entitled to, when medical committees alter their disability evaluations in a
manipulative way. Thus, a committee determines a Holocaust survivor has a 69 percent
level of disability, not 70 percent, so the state can save NIS 500 on the
recipient’s benefits payment. In practice, the Israeli government is waiting
for the Holocaust survivors to die off within 20 years so that it will no
longer have to pay their benefits.
days a year, but what about the other 362 days? The number of concentration
camp survivors, anti-Nazi partisans and Jews who hid in forests and Christians’
homes now living in Israel is 233,700, according to the Myers-JDC-Brookdale
Institute. Of these individuals, dozens die every day. Apparently, the
heartrending stories of 80-to-90-year-olds struggling for the basic means of
survival that appear in the media every year do not bother the officials
entrusted with their welfare in the Finance Ministry. That these survivors must
choose between buying their medicines or food or that they don’t have a source
of heating in the winter doesn’t seem to stop the State of Israel from denying
them substantive assistance by relying on a variety of bureaucratic clauses.
Israel even pettily denies Holocaust survivors the few benefits they are
entitled to, when medical committees alter their disability evaluations in a
manipulative way. Thus, a committee determines a Holocaust survivor has a 69 percent
level of disability, not 70 percent, so the state can save NIS 500 on the
recipient’s benefits payment. In practice, the Israeli government is waiting
for the Holocaust survivors to die off within 20 years so that it will no
longer have to pay their benefits.
In 1953, Prime
Minister David Ben-Gurion and West German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer signed a
reparations agreement, entrusting the State of Israel to handle payments to
Holocaust survivors. Looking back, you
could argue that Ben-Gurion was right to transfer survivors’ reparations
payments toward strengthening the young State of Israel. Yet it was only
decades later that this injustice done to Holocaust survivors – including my
parents, Auschwitz survivors Eliyahu and Rachel Rubin – was corrected. Only
then did they start receiving reparations payments from the treasury.
Minister David Ben-Gurion and West German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer signed a
reparations agreement, entrusting the State of Israel to handle payments to
Holocaust survivors. Looking back, you
could argue that Ben-Gurion was right to transfer survivors’ reparations
payments toward strengthening the young State of Israel. Yet it was only
decades later that this injustice done to Holocaust survivors – including my
parents, Auschwitz survivors Eliyahu and Rachel Rubin – was corrected. Only
then did they start receiving reparations payments from the treasury.
Several Israeli banks
hold the property of Jews murdered in the Holocaust but create obstacles to
prevent their heirs from receiving their due. Several years ago, Haaretz
published an estimate that deposits made in Israeli banks in the decades before
1945 are not worth what they should be today. Israeli banks shamelessly benefit
from the funds of the dead, those without heirs and even those with them. With
respect to the German and Swiss banks that took Holocaust victims money, there
is the biblical quote, “Have you murdered and also inherited?” In
Israel it is just, “Have you inherited?” It is saddening to see how
the Jews who determine government priorities in our country, which was founded
on the ruins of the Holocaust and thanks to the tremendous Zionist endeavor,
are in practice waiting for Holocaust survivors to die.
hold the property of Jews murdered in the Holocaust but create obstacles to
prevent their heirs from receiving their due. Several years ago, Haaretz
published an estimate that deposits made in Israeli banks in the decades before
1945 are not worth what they should be today. Israeli banks shamelessly benefit
from the funds of the dead, those without heirs and even those with them. With
respect to the German and Swiss banks that took Holocaust victims money, there
is the biblical quote, “Have you murdered and also inherited?” In
Israel it is just, “Have you inherited?” It is saddening to see how
the Jews who determine government priorities in our country, which was founded
on the ruins of the Holocaust and thanks to the tremendous Zionist endeavor,
are in practice waiting for Holocaust survivors to die.
The writer was hidden
by the Righteous Gentiles Margit and József Strausz in 1944 in Munkács, Hungary
(today Mukacheve, Ukraine).
by the Righteous Gentiles Margit and József Strausz in 1944 in Munkács, Hungary
(today Mukacheve, Ukraine).
Re: Investigation
Harry Gregson
May 19th 2016
Dear Mr Greenstein,
I have organised the interview for 11am Friday 27th May in the Clermont
Room at the Brighthelm Centre, North Rd, Brighton BN1
1YD .
Room at the Brighthelm Centre, North Rd, Brighton BN1
1YD .
Please can you confirm that you will be attending.
Harry Gregson
Acting Regional Director,
Labour South East
Labour South East
07872 417312
From: Tony Greenstein <[email protected]>
Sent: 19 May 2016 00:33
To: Harry Gregson
Subject: Re: Investigation
Sent: 19 May 2016 00:33
To: Harry Gregson
Subject: Re: Investigation
Dear Mr Gregson,
I see you have used a fascist and Islamaphobic site FrontPage.com, viz.
that belonging to Paul Bogdanor to source one of your quotes.
that belonging to Paul Bogdanor to source one of your quotes.
I have just taken a screenshot from their ‘Jihad Watch’ section which
advertises books such as Robert Spencers’ ‘Islam – Religion of Bigots’
(attached)
advertises books such as Robert Spencers’ ‘Islam – Religion of Bigots’
(attached)
Clearly in your search for dirt you haven’t hesitated to dredge the
sewers.
sewers.
I suspect that if you go on the neo-Nazi Redwatch-South Coast site you
will find even more useful nuggets of information
will find even more useful nuggets of information
You refer to allegations that I referred to a Labour MP as ‘Tory Boy’ and you give the url as http://azvsas.blogspot.co.uk/
that is not the url but the main page of my
blog. Please provide me with the actual url.
blog. Please provide me with the actual url.
–
That you use ‘Zio’ /’Zio idiots’/’Zionist scum’ as a
insults repeatedly on twitter https://twitter.com/TonyGreenstein/status/731937984765960196
That you use ‘Zio’ /’Zio idiots’/’Zionist scum’ as a
insults repeatedly on twitter https://twitter.com/TonyGreenstein/status/731937984765960196
You
also say:
also say:
–
That you evoked the Final Solution in a letter to the Labour Party.
That you evoked the Final Solution in a letter to the Labour Party.
–
That you referred to the Brighton Labour Party as acting in a racist way.
That you referred to the Brighton Labour Party as acting in a racist way.
– That
you advocated the de-selection of Labour MP Peter Kyle on twitter.
you advocated the de-selection of Labour MP Peter Kyle on twitter.
you
haven’t sourced any of the above three. Please do:
haven’t sourced any of the above three. Please do:
I
wasn’t aware that it was an offence to call for the reselection of a Labour MP
or Peter Kyle. But perhaps you would enlighten me?
wasn’t aware that it was an offence to call for the reselection of a Labour MP
or Peter Kyle. But perhaps you would enlighten me?
You
ask for a date next week. I am free next Friday 27th May. I
will leave you to source the room and set the time and place.
ask for a date next week. I am free next Friday 27th May. I
will leave you to source the room and set the time and place.
Please
be aware that I will be recording the interview in order that there can be no
dispute as to what has taken place.
be aware that I will be recording the interview in order that there can be no
dispute as to what has taken place.
Yours
sincerely,
sincerely,
Tony
Greenstein
Greenstein
Dear
Mr Greenstein,
Mr Greenstein,
I
did not receive the reply you said you sent.
did not receive the reply you said you sent.
You
requested the context in which those comments were allegedly made. The
sources for them are as follows:
requested the context in which those comments were allegedly made. The
sources for them are as follows:
‘The
attack on Thatcher by the IRA was obviously legitimate. She was a military
target’
attack on Thatcher by the IRA was obviously legitimate. She was a military
target’
‘spot
on re the Zionist collaboration with the Nazis.’
http://www.paulbogdanor.com/antisemitism/greenstein/nazi.html
on re the Zionist collaboration with the Nazis.’
http://www.paulbogdanor.com/antisemitism/greenstein/nazi.html
‘Zionism
is a Jewish version of anti-Semitism’
is a Jewish version of anti-Semitism’
On
top of the above that were raised in the original complaint, I would
also like to ask you about the following allegations::
top of the above that were raised in the original complaint, I would
also like to ask you about the following allegations::
That
you wrote: Israeli Policy is to wait for the remaining Holocaust survivors
to die
you wrote: Israeli Policy is to wait for the remaining Holocaust survivors
to die
–
That you described another Labour MP as ‘Tory Boy’ http://azvsas.blogspot.co.uk/
That you described another Labour MP as ‘Tory Boy’ http://azvsas.blogspot.co.uk/
– That you acted in an
un-comradely manner
to Labour members and referred to the investigation set up by
Baroness Royal as ‘racist’
un-comradely manner
to Labour members and referred to the investigation set up by
Baroness Royal as ‘racist’
–
That you use ‘Zio’ /’Zio idiots’/’Zionist scum’ as a
insults repeatedly on twitter https://twitter.com/TonyGreenstein/status/731937984765960196
That you use ‘Zio’ /’Zio idiots’/’Zionist scum’ as a
insults repeatedly on twitter https://twitter.com/TonyGreenstein/status/731937984765960196
–
That you evoked the Final Solution in a letter to the Labour Party.
That you evoked the Final Solution in a letter to the Labour Party.
–
That you referred to the Brighton Labour Party as acting in a racist way.
That you referred to the Brighton Labour Party as acting in a racist way.
– That
you advocated the de-selection of Labour MP Peter Kyle on twitter.
you advocated the de-selection of Labour MP Peter Kyle on twitter.
Please
tell me by Friday when and where (city) you can meet in the next week as
I would like to conclude this investigation as soon as possible. I will then
source a venue.
tell me by Friday when and where (city) you can meet in the next week as
I would like to conclude this investigation as soon as possible. I will then
source a venue.
Harry Gregson
Acting Regional Director,
Labour South East
Labour South East
07872 417312
From: Tony Greenstein <[email protected]>
Sent: 18 May 2016 15:29:28
To: Harry Gregson
Subject: Re: Investigation
Sent: 18 May 2016 15:29:28
To: Harry Gregson
Subject: Re: Investigation
Dear Mr Gregson,
I sent you the following reply. Yes I am happy to see you at a
mutually agreed date but please supply everything that you possess by way of
allegations. I have in any event applied via a subject access request for
the full information so there is no reason for you to hang on to it since you
will have to disclose everything.
mutually agreed date but please supply everything that you possess by way of
allegations. I have in any event applied via a subject access request for
the full information so there is no reason for you to hang on to it since you
will have to disclose everything.
Full disclosure is normal practice in both the civil and criminal
courts, employment tribunals etc. so I am finding it increasingly difficult to
know why you are incapable of following what is accepted practice in all
courts. It is in your interests to make full disclosure since otherwise
any decision that is made will be open to legal challenge.
courts, employment tribunals etc. so I am finding it increasingly difficult to
know why you are incapable of following what is accepted practice in all
courts. It is in your interests to make full disclosure since otherwise
any decision that is made will be open to legal challenge.
Whilst happy that you have informed me as to the 3 central quotes at the
centre of my case I need to obviously know what was the surrounding
conversation. I assume that you have this.
centre of my case I need to obviously know what was the surrounding
conversation. I assume that you have this.
Assuming you agree to further disclosure then please supply with some
dates.
dates.
Please acknowledge this reply as the previous email clearly got lost in
the ethernet.
the ethernet.
Regards
Tony Greenstein
Dear Mr Gregson,
At last, after nearly two months of being suspended, I have finally been
given a glimmer of the reasons as to why I have been suspended.
given a glimmer of the reasons as to why I have been suspended.
I would of course like to receive chapter and verse, i.e. date, time and
surrounding discussions, as to when these quotations were allegedly said, so
that I can see what the context of these remarks were. In other words the
full body of evidence surrounding what are bare quotations.
surrounding discussions, as to when these quotations were allegedly said, so
that I can see what the context of these remarks were. In other words the
full body of evidence surrounding what are bare quotations.
I will receive this anyway via the Subject Access Request that I have
submitted so it would make sense on your part to send me the full
information. I cannot think of any reason whatsoever to withhold such
information from me. If this were a court of law they would grant full
disclosure without a second’s though unless you are claiming national security
considerations!
submitted so it would make sense on your part to send me the full
information. I cannot think of any reason whatsoever to withhold such
information from me. If this were a court of law they would grant full
disclosure without a second’s though unless you are claiming national security
considerations!
On the basis that I receive fully disclosure of the information I have
requested I will be
requested I will be
Dear Mr Greenstein,
Thank you for your letter. You were suspended from the Labour Party as
it was alleged you breached Labour Party membership rules by acting in a way
that was grossly detrimental to the Party. This specifically related to the
comments below that you were alleged to have made:
it was alleged you breached Labour Party membership rules by acting in a way
that was grossly detrimental to the Party. This specifically related to the
comments below that you were alleged to have made:
– ‘The
attack on Thatcher by the IRA was obviously legitimate. She was a military
target’
attack on Thatcher by the IRA was obviously legitimate. She was a military
target’
– ‘Zionism is a Jewish version of anti-Semitism’
– ‘spot on re the Zionist collaboration with the Nazis.’
These comments were the trigger for your suspension
and will form part of the interview. However you will also have the
opportunity to respond to any other evidence that I have discovered throughout
the investigation so far.
and will form part of the interview. However you will also have the
opportunity to respond to any other evidence that I have discovered throughout
the investigation so far.
Please can you let me know if you are now prepared to meet for an interview?
I can come to Brighton if necessary.
I can come to Brighton if necessary.
Best wishes
Harry
Harry Gregson
Acting Regional Director, Labour South East
07872 417312
From: Tony Greenstein <[email protected]>
Sent: 14 May 2016 03:52:50
To: Harry Gregson
Subject: Re: Investigation
Sent: 14 May 2016 03:52:50
To: Harry Gregson
Subject: Re: Investigation
please see attached letter
Dear Mr Greenstein,
I am writing to
inform you that I will be carrying out the investigation on behalf of the
Labour Party into the circumstances that resulted in your suspension from the
Party.
I will be conducting interviews with witnesses and I will also need a time when
you are available for an interview. You are entitled to bring along a ‘silent
friend’, as am I, they must be a Party member and they cannot intervene in
the interview in any way. Please provide me with the name of your ‘silent
friend’ prior to the interview so I can ensure they meet these requirements. I
also attach the NEC advice note on carrying out such an investigation for
your information.
inform you that I will be carrying out the investigation on behalf of the
Labour Party into the circumstances that resulted in your suspension from the
Party.
I will be conducting interviews with witnesses and I will also need a time when
you are available for an interview. You are entitled to bring along a ‘silent
friend’, as am I, they must be a Party member and they cannot intervene in
the interview in any way. Please provide me with the name of your ‘silent
friend’ prior to the interview so I can ensure they meet these requirements. I
also attach the NEC advice note on carrying out such an investigation for
your information.
At the interview you
can also request I interview anyone else you deem important to this
investigation.
can also request I interview anyone else you deem important to this
investigation.
I am proposing
holding this interview on Saturday 21st May in Ergon House,
Horseferry Road, SW1P 2AL.
holding this interview on Saturday 21st May in Ergon House,
Horseferry Road, SW1P 2AL.
Please can you let me know if you can make this date and if so what time works
for you and I will try and accommodate it.
Best wishes,
Harry Gregson
Acting Regional
Director, Labour South East
Director, Labour South East
Dear Mr Greenstein,
I have not heard back from you about a time and date for the rearranged
interview. This is somewhat surprising given your desire for this matter to be
resolved asap.
interview. This is somewhat surprising given your desire for this matter to be
resolved asap.
Please can you let me know when you are available for an interview
by 5pm on Friday 20th May or else I will have to progress the
investigation without your input.
by 5pm on Friday 20th May or else I will have to progress the
investigation without your input.
Best wishes
Harry
Harry Gregson
Acting Regional Director,
Labour South East
Labour South East
07872 417312
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