Why Atzmon plays fast and loose with Truth, History and Integrity
For those who want an acquaintance with Atzmon, you could do worse than consult my (now out of date) Guide to the Sayings of Gilad Atzmon. Atzmon it should be explained was a famous jazz musician, having won the BBC jazz record of the year in 2003 with ‘Exile’.
It was, as lies
go, only a little lie. I asserted, on Atzmon’s
Facebook page, that he was a Holocaust denier, citing his article Truth,
History and Integrity. Quick as a flash Atzmon came back. This was, yet one more false assertion, by
me, his Jewish persecutor. Atzmon referred me to a statement
he made at the Babylon, Theatre, Berlin of 14.12.17.
‘Tony
Greenstein in case you didn’t know, Truth
History and Integrity was integrated into The Wandering Who’ [his book].
Atzmon could not help but boast that ‘it
was translated and published in every European language, including German.. If
the text above was suggesting H denial the book would ve been banned and i
would be arrested.’ As things stand I hold a post in Germany and I visit the
country regularly! I am proud of my take on History above and repeated it last
month in a massive marxist gathering in Berlin… enjoy yourself.’
Atzmon did not say what kind of post he holds in Germany. I assume it is a wooden post as I cannot believe academic standards have fallen that low.
Greenstein in case you didn’t know, Truth
History and Integrity was integrated into The Wandering Who’ [his book].
Atzmon could not help but boast that ‘it
was translated and published in every European language, including German.. If
the text above was suggesting H denial the book would ve been banned and i
would be arrested.’ As things stand I hold a post in Germany and I visit the
country regularly! I am proud of my take on History above and repeated it last
month in a massive marxist gathering in Berlin… enjoy yourself.’
Atzmon did not say what kind of post he holds in Germany. I assume it is a wooden post as I cannot believe academic standards have fallen that low.
And at first sight it would appear that the passage below, from his book, is not a holocaust denial narrative, despite the suggestive passage that ‘we must be entitled to ask questions’ concerning Auschwitz. What questions I wonder?
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However it is yet one more Atzmon lie. The book deliberately omits the passage I have bordered below in black from the original article. No doubt it was with things like his visits to Germany in mind that he omitted this passage which makes it crystal clear that he doesn’t accept the holocaust ‘narrative’ as he terms it. In the article, but not the book, he says that the ‘Holocaust narrative, in its current form, doesn’t make any historical sense.’ He goes on to explain at the end of the omitted passage that ‘I am left puzzled here, if the Nazis ran a death factory in Auschwitz-Birkenau, why would the Jewish prisoners join them at the end of the war.’ (my emphasis) The only conclusion to draw from the passage is that Auschwitz-Birkenau was not a death factory. In short
the section of the book entitled Truth History and Integrity deliberately omits the section of the original article surrounded by a Black border below
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| The original Truth History and Integrity – the part surrounded by a Black border was not integrated into the book The Wandering Who? |
I have, over
the past decade, posted numerous articles about Atzmon, an Israeli born Zionist
who masquerades as a supporter of the Palestinians. This blog owes its
formation to Atzmon. In June 2005 Atzmon
was invited by the Socialist Workers Party to give a talk on Otto Weininger, a German
Jewish fascist, at Bookmarx. It was said
that Hitler had joked that ‘I only knew
one good Jew and he killed himself’!
Attending the talk was one Ian Donovan, now of Socialist Fight.
the past decade, posted numerous articles about Atzmon, an Israeli born Zionist
who masquerades as a supporter of the Palestinians. This blog owes its
formation to Atzmon. In June 2005 Atzmon
was invited by the Socialist Workers Party to give a talk on Otto Weininger, a German
Jewish fascist, at Bookmarx. It was said
that Hitler had joked that ‘I only knew
one good Jew and he killed himself’!
Attending the talk was one Ian Donovan, now of Socialist Fight.
After refusing
our request to cancel the talk, Jews Against Zionism organised a successful picket
of the meeting. We received the support
of Professors Moshe Machover, Hilary and Stephen Rose – all of whom had made
regular appearances till then at the SWP’s annual Marxism event.
our request to cancel the talk, Jews Against Zionism organised a successful picket
of the meeting. We received the support
of Professors Moshe Machover, Hilary and Stephen Rose – all of whom had made
regular appearances till then at the SWP’s annual Marxism event.
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| Paul Eisen writes on the DYR site arguing that historical evidence suggests there was no Holocaust |
It was about
two years previously that a group of anti-Semites, who professed to support the
Palestinians, had gathered in a group called Deir Yassin Remembered [DYR]. DYR had started off as a Palestine solidarity
group which was committed to preserving the memory of the notorious massacre of
the villagers of Deir Yassin in April 1948 by the Zionist terrorist groups Lehi
and Irgun.
two years previously that a group of anti-Semites, who professed to support the
Palestinians, had gathered in a group called Deir Yassin Remembered [DYR]. DYR had started off as a Palestine solidarity
group which was committed to preserving the memory of the notorious massacre of
the villagers of Deir Yassin in April 1948 by the Zionist terrorist groups Lehi
and Irgun.
What supporter
of Palestine didn’t want to support such a group? It held annual concerts and the money helped
pay for a scholarship for a Palestinian student. It was or so it seemed, a most worthy
cause.
of Palestine didn’t want to support such a group? It held annual concerts and the money helped
pay for a scholarship for a Palestinian student. It was or so it seemed, a most worthy
cause.
DYR took in a
number of otherwise wholly reputable individuals who sympathised with the Palestinians. MPs such as Jeremy Corbyn and Gerald Kaufman
attended their concerts. It had the
support of a number of anti-Zionist Israeli Jews such as Michel Warshawsky,
Jeff Halper, Ilan Pappe and Lea Tsemel.
However when the group decided to invite Israel Shamir onto its board people
began to resign.
number of otherwise wholly reputable individuals who sympathised with the Palestinians. MPs such as Jeremy Corbyn and Gerald Kaufman
attended their concerts. It had the
support of a number of anti-Zionist Israeli Jews such as Michel Warshawsky,
Jeff Halper, Ilan Pappe and Lea Tsemel.
However when the group decided to invite Israel Shamir onto its board people
began to resign.
The statement of Jeff Halper explaining why he left the DYR Board, shortly after Shamir joined it, is instructive. In July 2005, shortly after JAZ had picketed the SWP’s meeting with Atzmon, two prominent Israeli anti-Zionists – Michel Warshawski and Lea Tsemel, also resigned. Lea’s name is still on the Board of Advisors to this day
DYR had a solution to
these resignations. It simply refused to
delete their names from the web site so you will still see some of their names
on it over a decade after their resignation.
As Gabriel Ash remarked
‘The Deir Yassin Remembered board is like Hotel California, you can check in any time you like, but you
can never leave.’
Its British representative
and Director was Paul Eisen, who later surfaced when false allegations of anti-Semitism
were made against Jeremy Corbyn.
and Director was Paul Eisen, who later surfaced when false allegations of anti-Semitism
were made against Jeremy Corbyn.
Shamir was
first called out for his Jew hatred by Abunimah and Hussein Ibish in Serious
Concerns About Israel Shamir. The
article is no longer on the Internet though Shamir’s reply
is. (I have now reposted it)
first called out for his Jew hatred by Abunimah and Hussein Ibish in Serious
Concerns About Israel Shamir. The
article is no longer on the Internet though Shamir’s reply
is. (I have now reposted it)
Shamir has now all but disappeared publicly. You can get a taste of his politics in Who Needs Holocaust? In a dialogue with Atzmon, who at this time was not a holocaust denier, Shamir decries the idea that Auschwitz was an extermination camp. This was merely:
Another go of Zionist propaganda. The camp was perceived as an internment facility, attended by the Red Cross … If it were bombed, the internees would die – or as a result of the bombing, or due to starvation for the supplies would not arrive. Indeed, would Gilad advise to bomb Guantanamo? This idea of “bombing Auschwitz” makes sense only if one accepts the vision of “industrial extermination factory”, and it was formed only well after the war.
DYR is a
classical example of a false flag organisation. Set up for one purpose but
fulfilling another. When it was approached in 2014 to support the Boycott of
Idan Raichel, a prominent supporter of Zionism and Israel’s
military the Deir
Yassin Remembered Board labelled the
Raichel boycott campaign “gatekeeping”,
describing it as ‘a tactic used often by Zionists and by people
like Ali Abunimah. Hence we would oppose DYR gatekeeping anyone, including this
fellow.‘’ [BDS
Attacked by the Deir Yassin Remembered
classical example of a false flag organisation. Set up for one purpose but
fulfilling another. When it was approached in 2014 to support the Boycott of
Idan Raichel, a prominent supporter of Zionism and Israel’s
military the Deir
Yassin Remembered Board labelled the
Raichel boycott campaign “gatekeeping”,
describing it as ‘a tactic used often by Zionists and by people
like Ali Abunimah. Hence we would oppose DYR gatekeeping anyone, including this
fellow.‘’ [BDS
Attacked by the Deir Yassin Remembered
I first came
into contact with Atzmon after he had penned an article ‘The
Protocols of the Elders Of London, the name being
a take on the famous anti-Semitic forgery the Protocols of the Elders of
Zion. It attacks all those associated
with Jews
Against Zionism as ‘undercover
Zionist agents’.
into contact with Atzmon after he had penned an article ‘The
Protocols of the Elders Of London, the name being
a take on the famous anti-Semitic forgery the Protocols of the Elders of
Zion. It attacks all those associated
with Jews
Against Zionism as ‘undercover
Zionist agents’.
In ‘On
Anti-Semitism’ Atzmon explained concerning the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, which were described by
Norman Cohn as a ‘Warrant for Genocide’ that:
Anti-Semitism’ Atzmon explained concerning the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, which were described by
Norman Cohn as a ‘Warrant for Genocide’ that:
‘American Jewry makes any debate on whether the ‘Protocols
of the elder of Zion’ are an authentic document or rather a forgery irrelevant.
American Jews (in fact Zionists) do control the world.’
of the elder of Zion’ are an authentic document or rather a forgery irrelevant.
American Jews (in fact Zionists) do control the world.’
In Mein Kampf [174] Hitler wrote that ‘With groans and moan, the Frankfurter Zeitung repeats again and again that these are forgeries. This alone is evidence in favour of their authenticity. ’
To Atzmon it is
irrelevant if the Protocols are a forgery, because they are true, whereas for Hitler
are ‘authentic’ precisely because they are true! A distinction without a difference.
irrelevant if the Protocols are a forgery, because they are true, whereas for Hitler
are ‘authentic’ precisely because they are true! A distinction without a difference.
When I first
corresponded with Atzmon after reading ‘The
Protocols of the Elders of London’ I took Atzmon to task for his having
distributed an article by Paul Eisen, the British Director of DYR, entitled Holocaust Wars. It was
a full-fledged defence of Ernst Zundel, a holocaust denier who was later
imprisoned for 5 years in Germany for incitement to racial hatred. Atzmon responded
to my criticism by saying
corresponded with Atzmon after reading ‘The
Protocols of the Elders of London’ I took Atzmon to task for his having
distributed an article by Paul Eisen, the British Director of DYR, entitled Holocaust Wars. It was
a full-fledged defence of Ernst Zundel, a holocaust denier who was later
imprisoned for 5 years in Germany for incitement to racial hatred. Atzmon responded
to my criticism by saying
‘True I
circulated Paul Eisen’s paper. I do believe that argumentative texts must be
circulated as widely as possible.… Furthermore,
Let me assure you that if I ever see a great text written by
yourself I ll be the first to circulate it.’
This is a book, one of whose subtitles is ‘The Hitler we loved and why…’ in which Eisen explains that ‘Millions of Germans loved
Hitler who for twelve years impacted on them as no German has or probably ever
will, and, though they never say so, must, deep down still cherish his memory.’ It is a full throated defence of Holocaust denial (my
emphasis)
circulated Paul Eisen’s paper. I do believe that argumentative texts must be
circulated as widely as possible.… Furthermore,
Let me assure you that if I ever see a great text written by
yourself I ll be the first to circulate it.’
This is a book, one of whose subtitles is ‘The Hitler we loved and why…’ in which Eisen explains that ‘Millions of Germans loved
Hitler who for twelve years impacted on them as no German has or probably ever
will, and, though they never say so, must, deep down still cherish his memory.’ It is a full throated defence of Holocaust denial (my
emphasis)
According to Atzmon
I had falsely accused him of being a holocaust denier in ‘Truth, History and Integrity’ an article incorporated into his
book, a book which was translated in German. So I decided to investigate whether what Atzmon
said was true and I had been maligning this noble, truthful figure.
I had falsely accused him of being a holocaust denier in ‘Truth, History and Integrity’ an article incorporated into his
book, a book which was translated in German. So I decided to investigate whether what Atzmon
said was true and I had been maligning this noble, truthful figure.
I first went to
Atzmon’s original essay ‘Truth,
History and Integrity’: In the section ‘It doesn’t make sense’,
the ‘it’ being the Holocaust, Atzmon wrote:
Atzmon’s original essay ‘Truth,
History and Integrity’: In the section ‘It doesn’t make sense’,
the ‘it’ being the Holocaust, Atzmon wrote:
It
took me years to accept that the Holocaust narrative, in its current form,
doesn’t make any historical sense. Here is just one little anecdote to
elaborate on:
took me years to accept that the Holocaust narrative, in its current form,
doesn’t make any historical sense. Here is just one little anecdote to
elaborate on:
If, for
instance, the Nazis wanted the Jews out of their Reich… or even dead, as the
Zionist narrative insists, how come they marched hundreds of thousands of them
back into the Reich at the end of the war? I have been concerned with this
simple question for more than a while. I eventually launched into an historical
research of the topic and happened to learn from Israeli holocaust historian
professor Israel
Gutman that Jewish prisoners actually joined the march
voluntarily. Here is a testimony taken from Gutman’s book
instance, the Nazis wanted the Jews out of their Reich… or even dead, as the
Zionist narrative insists, how come they marched hundreds of thousands of them
back into the Reich at the end of the war? I have been concerned with this
simple question for more than a while. I eventually launched into an historical
research of the topic and happened to learn from Israeli holocaust historian
professor Israel
Gutman that Jewish prisoners actually joined the march
voluntarily. Here is a testimony taken from Gutman’s book
“One of my
friends and relatives in the camp came to me on the night of the evacuation and
offered a common hiding place somewhere on the way from the camp to the
factory. …The intention was to leave the camp with one of the convoys and to
escape near the gate, using the darkness we thought to go a little far from the
camp. The temptation was very strong. And yet, after I considered it all
I then decided to join (the march) with all the other inmates and to share
their fate “ (Israel Gutman [editor], People and Ashes: Book
Auschwitz – Birkenau, Merhavia 1957).
friends and relatives in the camp came to me on the night of the evacuation and
offered a common hiding place somewhere on the way from the camp to the
factory. …The intention was to leave the camp with one of the convoys and to
escape near the gate, using the darkness we thought to go a little far from the
camp. The temptation was very strong. And yet, after I considered it all
I then decided to join (the march) with all the other inmates and to share
their fate “ (Israel Gutman [editor], People and Ashes: Book
Auschwitz – Birkenau, Merhavia 1957).
I am left
puzzled here, if the Nazis ran a death factory in Auschwitz-Birkenau, why would
the Jewish prisoners join them at the end of the war? Why didn’t the Jews wait
for their Red liberators?
puzzled here, if the Nazis ran a death factory in Auschwitz-Birkenau, why would
the Jewish prisoners join them at the end of the war? Why didn’t the Jews wait
for their Red liberators?
I think that 65
years after the liberation of Auschwitz, we must be entitled to start to ask
the necessary questions. We should ask for some conclusive historical evidence
and arguments rather than follow a religious narrative that is sustained by
political pressure and laws. We should strip the holocaust of its Judeo-centric
exceptional status and treat it as an historical chapter that belongs to a
certain time and place
years after the liberation of Auschwitz, we must be entitled to start to ask
the necessary questions. We should ask for some conclusive historical evidence
and arguments rather than follow a religious narrative that is sustained by
political pressure and laws. We should strip the holocaust of its Judeo-centric
exceptional status and treat it as an historical chapter that belongs to a
certain time and place
I then went to
my copy of Atzmon’s book ‘The Wandering
Who’ and turned to page 175 and what did I discover? The first four paragraphs above had been
omitted! If Truth,
History and Integrity had been ‘integrated’ into his book Atzmon had taken
care not to integrate the very paragraphs in which he cast doubt on the Holocaust! Presumably because, as he says, he didn’t
want to get arrested in Germany.
my copy of Atzmon’s book ‘The Wandering
Who’ and turned to page 175 and what did I discover? The first four paragraphs above had been
omitted! If Truth,
History and Integrity had been ‘integrated’ into his book Atzmon had taken
care not to integrate the very paragraphs in which he cast doubt on the Holocaust! Presumably because, as he says, he didn’t
want to get arrested in Germany.
However Ian
Donovan of Socialist Fight described ‘Greenstein’s
campaign between 2005 and 2010’ as an attempt ‘to witchhunt the Socialist Workers Party for hosting Atzmon’s gigs,
and maintaining a fraternal dialogue with him, before they finally capitulated.’
Donovan of Socialist Fight described ‘Greenstein’s
campaign between 2005 and 2010’ as an attempt ‘to witchhunt the Socialist Workers Party for hosting Atzmon’s gigs,
and maintaining a fraternal dialogue with him, before they finally capitulated.’
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| Gilad Atzmon can claim some originality in distinguishing between Marxism and ‘Jewish Marxism’ given that Marx was Jewish |
Donovan and
Gerry Downing seriously believe that it is the job of socialists to maintain ‘a fraternal dialogue’ with someone who
when not denying the Holocaust justifies it. Someone who states, in Tribal
Marxism for Dummies that there is a distinction to be made between Marxism
and what he calls ‘Jewish Marxism’
which ‘is very different from Marxism or socialism in general. While Marxism
is a universal paradigm, its Jewish version is very different.’
Gerry Downing seriously believe that it is the job of socialists to maintain ‘a fraternal dialogue’ with someone who
when not denying the Holocaust justifies it. Someone who states, in Tribal
Marxism for Dummies that there is a distinction to be made between Marxism
and what he calls ‘Jewish Marxism’
which ‘is very different from Marxism or socialism in general. While Marxism
is a universal paradigm, its Jewish version is very different.’
Atzmon detests,
like Donovan himself, the Jewish Bund. In Swindler’s
List he states that ‘Bundists believe that instead of robbing
Palestinians we should all get together and rob who is considered to be the
rich, the wealthy and the strong in the name of working class revolution.’
like Donovan himself, the Jewish Bund. In Swindler’s
List he states that ‘Bundists believe that instead of robbing
Palestinians we should all get together and rob who is considered to be the
rich, the wealthy and the strong in the name of working class revolution.’
In reality Socialist Fight are now acting as little
more than ‘left’ apologists for Atzmon. See
Why
the Steering Committee are proposing that Socialist Fight [SF] should be
excluded from Labour Against the Witch-hunt see also
more than ‘left’ apologists for Atzmon. See
Why
the Steering Committee are proposing that Socialist Fight [SF] should be
excluded from Labour Against the Witch-hunt see also
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